Osmosis's Newbie thread

[Osmosis]

Hello OGF
I figured I should make a newbie thread, seeing as I am one http://www.oregongreenfree.us/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif.

well, new to posting in your community... far from new to growing.
-I'm a patient and caregiver, have been OMMP registered for several years now.. and without question I am still alive due to our wonderful medicine!

I've spent more than my share of hours buried in plant biology textbooks, and I simply can't get enough experimentation.
I'm looking forward to sharing my trials and errors!

[kareem ahvunyun]

Osmosis: Welcome to OGF, a great Place.

Come on in and have a look.

Glad that You have found Us and once again, Welcome.

[misstokie]

Hi Osmosis,
Nice to meet you.
Misstokie

[Infiniti]

Welcome to the site! lots of great people here. the moire the merrier.

[mamakat]

welcome to OGF!

and i'm glad to hear that the hours spent pouring over plant biology books have helped.

namaste,
kat

[Osmosis]

Thank you guys (and gals) for making me feel welcome!
It's been a pretty rough week..

I can't wait until I've proved I'm human, and can post in other areas too http://www.oregongreenfree.us/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif.

[leorising]

Welcome, Osmosis, I'm pretty new here too.

The studying you've done? Actually sounded like fun. I hope it does you lots of good!

And I dig how you've got the definition of your name in your sig line. Good one!

http://www.oregongreenfree.us/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif

[Mr Dark Green]

Welcome to OGF http://www.oregongreenfree.us/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bigemo_harabe_net-179.gif

[rastamama]

Welcome. Hope you stick around. There are some great people and info here. Sounds like you may be able to add to the info. Just jump right in!
Respect,
rastamama

[shabad]

~Warm joyful wishes~

Welcome and you bet we need more studous folks so that we can maintain strains and keep things growing.

Looking forward to seeing more of you here in the forums and at OGF events.

Sat Nam
(truth is the Name)

[bobstanley]

I can't wait until I've proved I'm human, and can post in other areas too http://www.oregongreenfree.us/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif.[/b]


Yeh I'm alittle confused about these separate areas...are there some things that cardholders cannot talk about in the public forums?

[Neville]

Hello OGF
I figured I should make a newbie thread, seeing as I am one http://www.oregongreenfree.us/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif.

well, new to posting in your community... far from new to growing.
-I'm a patient and caregiver, have been OMMP registered for several years now.. and without question I am still alive due to our wonderful medicine!

I've spent more than my share of hours buried in plant biology textbooks, and I simply can't get enough experimentation.
I'm looking forward to sharing my trials and errors![/b]

Have you done anything with water culture systems? What is your experience if so?

Have you done anything with water culture systems? What is your experience if so?[/b]

Oh yeah, say hi to Zorak for me...

[Osmosis]

Have you done anything with water culture systems? What is your experience if so?
Oh yeah, say hi to Zorak for me...[/b]

Hey Neville - Nevilles Haze (140+ day flower) is one of the several strains I have in the garden.. Great overpowering "chewing on pine needles" flavor - and the STONG sativa anti anxiety super energizing, uplifting high is truly unique! huge yielder, with many many cola's - although a bit stretchy for many to want to try and handle indoors - and impossible outdoors in our climate as it doesnt even BEGIN to flower until october.. anyway sorry about that, Nice name http://www.oregongreenfree.us/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

I really have only played around with taking a plant to completion in water, and It was a homemade DWC. I like to grow in Soil personally.
I do almost entirely propagate in water though (not my breeding programs, but cloning), also a homemade cloner - but then transplant into soil..
I really do prefer the outcome of the meds when soil grown in comparison with hydroponics. Everything from taste to resin tenasity comes out more to my liking when cannabis has been grown in soil - they way it has adapted to do over all the years in nature.

I do have alot of info ranging from growth curves, to net assimilation rates, and all kinds of other aspects that are from some of my more "high-tech" books though - if you have a question let me hear it and I may be of some help..

[Osmosis]

~Warm joyful wishes~

Welcome and you bet we need more studous folks so that we can maintain strains and keep things growing.

Looking forward to seeing more of you here in the forums and at OGF events.

Sat Nam
(truth is the Name)[/b]


Maintaining strains including landraces is one of my larger interests Shabad. Right now I have a project that includes some south african genetics - talk about some of the strongest Sativa's I've ever tried!

[Infiniti]

always great to see another landrace conservationist

[Neville]

Hey Neville - Nevilles Haze (140+ day flower) is one of the several strains I have in the garden.. Great overpowering "chewing on pine needles" flavor - and the STONG sativa anti anxiety super energizing, uplifting high is truly unique! huge yielder, with many many cola's - although a bit stretchy for many to want to try and handle indoors - and impossible outdoors in our climate as it doesnt even BEGIN to flower until october.. anyway sorry about that, Nice name http://www.oregongreenfree.us/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

I really have only played around with taking a plant to completion in water, and It was a homemade DWC. I like to grow in Soil personally.
I do almost entirely propagate in water though (not my breeding programs, but cloning), also a homemade cloner - but then transplant into soil..
I really do prefer the outcome of the meds when soil grown in comparison with hydroponics. Everything from taste to resin tenasity comes out more to my liking when cannabis has been grown in soil - they way it has adapted to do over all the years in nature.

I do have alot of info ranging from growth curves, to net assimilation rates, and all kinds of other aspects that are from some of my more "high-tech" books though - if you have a question let me hear it and I may be of some help..[/b]

Thanks for the info Osmosis. I constructed a system based on the book "High Tech Water Culture" by Daniel Storm. I modified his design for a more horizontal configuration. I am trying to build out my infrastructure before my condition worstens and physical demands escalate, so I am interested in opinions on these systems before I waste alot of time. These units are partially assembled but not in service. If you are interested I can probably send you pictures of them in their various states of construction for your review and comment.

The book is old and perhaps dated. It is available at Pypes Palace. It is a rather technical treatise and contains growth curve data and programs in BASIC to calculate rate of photosynthesis for optimal CO2 concentration, and daily environmental data. He gives good arguments for the use of water culture over traditional hydro. It will be a long road to reach sustainability so I am trying to be as efficient about bootstrapping as possible, so I appreciate the feedback.

I am especially interested in your water-based propogation. Storm sort of left that part out and I have been wondering how I was to accomplish this and it fits perfectly with my primary system.
Thanks again,
N

[clinton]

Thank you guys (and gals) for making me feel welcome!
It's been a pretty rough week..

I can't wait until I've proved I'm human, and can post in other areas too http://www.oregongreenfree.us/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif.[/b]
The green room and other places are not magic spots. The magic does not happen at meetings. The web site and the chapter meetings are only places to meet and contact others. I suggest you start going to meetings - travel and meet a lot of people. You WILL make friends who can and will help you. The magic happens one on one - friend to friend.

Growers are hard to find as there are more consumers than producers. If you can grow even on a small scale - I think you would be happier. At least if you kill your own plants you wont feel ripped off by someone else. It is hard to be brave enough to trust when you hear of bad CG and growers. But there are more honest people than crooked.

If you find a grower, make a written contract that clearly states what each of you want and expect. I will only grow under a contract for anyone. Contracts can prevent a lot of grey area problems. Then be friends.

clinton

[Mardoc]

peekaboo

water cloner advice huh, PM me.

[kareem ahvunyun]

Mardoc: Glad to see You back!!!

[Lyzrdman]

Hello OGF
I figured I should make a newbie thread, seeing as I am one http://www.oregongreenfree.us/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif.

well, new to posting in your community... far from new to growing.
-I'm a patient and caregiver, have been OMMP registered for several years now.. and without question I am still alive due to our wonderful medicine!

I've spent more than my share of hours buried in plant biology textbooks, and I simply can't get enough experimentation.
I'm looking forward to sharing my trials and errors![/b]
Welcome welcome http://www.oregongreenfree.us/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup_anim.gif

[Osmosis]

Throughout this thread, I have no idea what gave you the Idea I need a grower clinton http://www.oregongreenfree.us/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif...? I Do have a written contract with every single one of my patients - and reccomend this for everyone that takes on a patient or multiple.
also, I've been told what happens "behind closed doors" and to tell you the truth, it's the same thing I have been doing with close friends for years...

Neville - Marijuana hydroponics "high-tech water culture" (as you said, It's not so high tech, as it's quite dated) - but it's still a great book (although small at 117 pages).
Are you constructing the dwc/aerator type system, that he covers starting page 73? It seems fundamentally sound, and is actaully quite similar to what I built (except mine is only one site since I know I prefer soil farming)
I play around with the programs included in the book sometimes when I'm bored. Have you ever entered your own data?

On to the cloner - A "bubble cloner" as I call them take about $25-30 to construct *IF you Do NOT have an aquarium pump - if you have an air pump already the bubble cloner is just a few dollars.

All you need is/are:
- one air pump.
-one plastic tub/tote. I aim for cheap tubs that are around 1ft and a few inches X 9 or so inches. Last ones I bought were $6 at rite-aid. Make sure there are no holes in the tub for "handles" or anything dumb like that. and make sure it has a lid.
-1-4 airstones (# depends on the amount of outlets on the air pump you are using). For the 1ft stones I spent around $3 each at a pet shop.
-then you need the plastic tubing/line used for routing air from the pump to the airstones = $2.
I'm pretty sure anyone can figure out how to stick that all together into a small scale dwc bubble cloner from here.

Do make sure to drill atleast 1/4" holes for placing the cuttings into, it sucks when you have to rip the roots off to get the clone out of the cloner..

optional:
Add vit b1, phosphorous/bloom fert, and a drop-2 of fulvic acid (400-600ppm total) - rooting hormones in liquid or gel form help cut the rooting time down to an impressive 5-7 days at times. I've been personally most impressed with olivia's cloning gel.
however all you really need to do is make a good cut that exposes as much of the xylem and phloem as you can get exposed (generally I scarify the cutting as well) and then stick it into the water of the cloner and let it bubble away.

to tell you the truth Neville - the road to self sufficiency Is alot shorter and easier than you are believing it to be.

[clinton]

Throughout this thread, I have no idea what gave you the Idea I need a grower clinton http://www.oregongreenfree.us/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif...? I Do have a written contract with every single one of my patients - and reccomend this for everyone that takes on a patient or multiple.
also, I've been told what happens "behind closed doors" and to tell you the truth, it's the same thing I have been doing with close friends for years...

Neville - Marijuana hydroponics "high-tech water culture" (as you said, It's not so high tech, as it's quite dated) - but it's still a great book (although small at 117 pages).
Are you constructing the dwc/aerator type system, that he covers starting page 73? It seems fundamentally sound, and is actaully quite similar to what I built (except mine is only one site since I know I prefer soil farming)
I play around with the programs included in the book sometimes when I'm bored. Have you ever entered your own data?

On to the cloner - A "bubble cloner" as I call them take about $25-30 to construct *IF you Do NOT have an aquarium pump - if you have an air pump already the bubble cloner is just a few dollars.

All you need is/are:
- one air pump.
-one plastic tub/tote. I aim for cheap tubs that are around 1ft and a few inches X 9 or so inches. Last ones I bought were $6 at rite-aid. Make sure there are no holes in the tub for "handles" or anything dumb like that. and make sure it has a lid.
-1-4 airstones (# depends on the amount of outlets on the air pump you are using). For the 1ft stones I spent around $3 each at a pet shop.
-then you need the plastic tubing/line used for routing air from the pump to the airstones = $2.
I'm pretty sure anyone can figure out how to stick that all together into a small scale dwc bubble cloner from here.

Do make sure to drill atleast 1/4" holes for placing the cuttings into, it sucks when you have to rip the roots off to get the clone out of the cloner..

optional:
Add vit b1, phosphorous/bloom fert, and a drop-2 of fulvic acid (400-600ppm total) - rooting hormones in liquid or gel form help cut the rooting time down to an impressive 5-7 days at times. I've been personally most impressed with olivia's cloning gel.
however all you really need to do is make a good cut that exposes as much of the xylem and phloem as you can get exposed (generally I scarify the cutting as well) and then stick it into the water of the cloner and let it bubble away.

to tell you the truth Neville - the road to self sufficiency Is alot shorter and easier than you are believing it to be.[/b]

Didnt read that book.

Great post. I just added the info about growers in case you need that info. Im glad you are a successful grower. Ive done various types of hydro for years. I like DWC but without a reservoir and pumps to stablize temperatures, EC, and pH those grows are very risky.

The system Im using has gone through several iterations and gets better with every new system I build. Basicly the system consists of 5 gal buckets plumbed to drain through 3/4 hose to a sump bucket. A sump controller (from plumming supply) senses the water level and pumps back to reservoir when the sump water level reaches the sensor. This unit is computer chipped and smart - it senses pump failure etc. I feed the plants continuously with drip tubes 24/7,

The position of the sump sensor sets the water level in all the grow buckets and the sump. This system if used with the deep 10 inch net pots is essentally drip hydro and is temerature forgiving relative to DWC. If you use the smaller 6 inch net post you have a true DWC system. I recommend DWC only if you can keep the reservoir between 62 and 65 degrees. The drip systems dont grow as fast but the roots will not die from hot water with no O2.

I will flesh this out as a DIY project if there is interest. The costs are about as folllows:

Sump Controller $50 with shipping
7- 5 gal black buckets $35 at grow store
2 pumps - I use 396 gal per hour $55 approx
3/4 flexable black hose $.90 per foot
7 Net pot hats 6 inch $28
or
7 Net pot hats 10 inch $30
reservoir $25
6 hole drip manifold $5
drip tubbing $5
insulation for reservoir $12
misc parts $5
commercial air pumps $60 each I use 1 pump per 3 buckets 66 liters air per min
good air stones $5 each

For about $300 you have a quality system, adjustable and adapable.

All buckets sit on the same level as the reservoir maximizing vertical growth. Warning: the water height in the reservoir will cause continously syphon on power failure. Power failure of long duration will result in bucket overflow. A solinoid controlled valve should be included inline to the feed lines, to allow flow to plants only under power.

I have a water chiller (home made) and all the bells and whistles so I do DWC.

clinton

clinton

[Neville]

Didnt read that book.

Great post. I just added the info about growers in case you need that info. Im glad you are a successful grower. Ive done various types of hydro for years. I like DWC but without a reservoir and pumps to stablize temperatures, EC, and pH those grows are very risky.

The system Im using has gone through several iterations and gets better with every new system I build. Basicly the system consists of 5 gal buckets plumbed to drain through 3/4 hose to a sump bucket. A sump controller (from plumming supply) senses the water level and pumps back to reservoir when the sump water level reaches the sensor. This unit is computer chipped and smart - it senses pump failure etc. I feed the plants continuously with drip tubes 24/7,

The position of the sump sensor sets the water level in all the grow buckets and the sump. This system if used with the deep 10 inch net pots is essentally drip hydro and is temerature forgiving relative to DWC. If you use the smaller 6 inch net post you have a true DWC system. I recommend DWC only if you can keep the reservoir between 62 and 65 degrees. The drip systems dont grow as fast but the roots will not die from hot water with no O2.

I will flesh this out as a DIY project if there is interest. The costs are about as folllows:

Sump Controller $50 with shipping
7- 5 gal black buckets $35 at grow store
2 pumps - I use 396 gal per hour $55 approx
3/4 flexable black hose $.90 per foot
7 Net pot hats 6 inch $28
or
7 Net pot hats 10 inch $30
reservoir $25
6 hole drip manifold $5
drip tubbing $5
insulation for reservoir $12
misc parts $5
commercial air pumps $60 each I use 1 pump per 3 buckets 66 liters air per min
good air stones $5 each

For about $300 you have a quality system, adjustable and adapable.

All buckets sit on the same level as the reservoir maximizing vertical growth. Warning: the water height in the reservoir will cause continously syphon on power failure. Power failure of long duration will result in bucket overflow. A solinoid controlled valve should be included inline to the feed lines, to allow flow to plants only under power.

I have a water chiller (home made) and all the bells and whistles so I do DWC.

clinton

clinton[/b]

Ok, Thanks guys, I am getting a better idea of logistics. I am just starting out. I mailed my completed app the other day. I have had an arthritic condition for years and finally decided to go this route. I have acquired a parabolic reflector and 1Kw MH. I built the system described by Storm but used horizontal 10" black sewer pipe, 3 modules 3' long w/2 slots per as allowed by law. I will cover them with mylar. Drilling and adding fixtures to these things was a total bitch especially with my hands not working that well. Instead of stones I used a needle wired to a soldering iron to poke zillions of holes in plastic tubing serpentined inside each tube. A fluid intake is at the top of each. An overflow tube goes from top to bottom and will empty into a resevour. A standard hosecock at the bottom will allow drainage. I could not find end caps so I used hose clamps and vulvanized rubber sheeting for end caps. I have leak tested and checked aeration on one of them. I got the most gigantic aquarium pump I could find and it seems to bubble sufficiently at least on one. I will daisychain them together.

I was confused about recirculation. I guess I do not need to do that but simply keep level adequate?

I will have a main resevour to check PH and add nutrients, I may need to add a heater and cooler to maintain temperature. The level of nutrient solution I thought should go all the way to the top but apparently there should be some airspace between roots and solution?

This is what was confusing: Storm uses stoppers with holes and packs them with angel hair around the stem to suspend above solution, but I could not figure out how to get from seedlings to that stage. Your advice and further reading indicates I should use net pots instead. This means expanding the holes in the tubes and more drilling of that frigging plastic.

So it seems that I start with rockwool with holes predrilled, soak, shake out, add seeds, wait for germination, move cube to net pot with expanded clay to small bubble tank. wait for sufficient growth then move entire net pot to main DWC tubes..?

If I ever get to clone stage just substitute term clone for seeds in above. Can I work with a 3" net pot for the whole operation? Can I even use the holes I have in the top of the tubes which are only 2" diameter?

Sorry for so many questions and thanks for your help

[Neville]

ayy

[cheech]

Hello OGF
I figured I should make a newbie thread, seeing as I am one http://www.oregongreenfree.us/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif.

well, new to posting in your community... far from new to growing.
-I'm a patient and caregiver, have been OMMP registered for several years now.. and without question I am still alive due to our wonderful medicine!

I've spent more than my share of hours buried in plant biology textbooks, and I simply can't get enough experimentation.
I'm looking forward to sharing my trials and errors![/b]


Osmosis, I am an old member newbie,as well , and will be probably calling on your advise from time to time. Its good to have you back at OGF. I probably won't be growing until the spring when my operation and recovery are complete, and my renewal accomplished, but questions always arrise and its good to know experience lives and breaths here at OGF. cheech http://www.oregongreenfree.us/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup_anim.gif