In Salem today (Tues the 19)

[kali ma]

I thought this might be of interest to folks.

Notice that SRCF did not invite any other orgs or activists to participate..

Anybody want to keep an eye on this and report back?



;)km



Subject:
SRCF 2008 OMMA Summit date has been set
From:
"Stormy Ray Cardholders' Foundation" <sray@stormyray.org> (sray@stormyray.org)Date:
Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:12:10 -0800To:
"Gwen Vette" <gwen.vette@state.or.us> (gwen.vette@state.or.us), <ameyer@aclu-or.org> (ameyer@aclu-or.org), "Bill Morrisette" <sen.billmorrisette@state.or.us> (sen.billmorrisette@state.or.us), <sen.alanbates@state.or.us> (sen.alanbates@state.or.us), "David Fidanque" <fidanque@aol.com> (fidanque@aol.com), "Floyd Prozanski" <sen.floydprozanski@state.or.us> (sen.floydprozanski@state.or.us), "Jeff Kruse" <sen.jeffkruse@state.or.us> (sen.jeffkruse@state.or.us), <sen.katebrown@state.or.us> (sen.katebrown@state.or.us), "Kathy Hahn" <kathyrx@comcast.net> (kathyrx@comcast.net), "Katie Suver" <ksuver@co.marion.or.us> (ksuver@co.marion.or.us), "Kevin L Campbell" <kevin@victorygrp.com> (kevin@victorygrp.com), "Michael Dingeman" <Michael.Dingeman@state.or.us> (Michael.Dingeman@state.or.us), "Pete Shepherd" <pete.shepherd@doj.state.or.us> (pete.shepherd@doj.state.or.us), "Peter Buckley" <rep.peterbuckley@state.or.us> (rep.peterbuckley@state.or.us)




Thank you for your participation in “The Stormy Ray Cardholders' Foundation 2008 OMMA Summit”. Over the next ten months, Summit Members will be helping SRCF examine Oregon’s Medical Marijuana Act, (OMMA) identifying issues and developing reasonable legislative solutions that will help us improve our great law.

Some of the topics that have already been submitted for discussion include;

workplace impairment
transporting medical marijuana
pre-notification when moving the grow site to a new location
the 12-inch clone height rule
‘Person responsible for the grow site” certification
Patient education
the patient networking “HUB”
Summit Members are encouraged to submit any other concerns they may have. Members should be prepared to discus possible solutions to issues that have already been submitted.

SRCF will also be accepting written suggestions from all OMMA stakeholders about possible issues and achievable solutions they believe will make our law stronger. Their personal experiences implementing OMMA will be vital in helping Summit Members understand how OMMA is impacting Oregonians.

The first meeting of the SRCF 2008 OMMA Summit has been set.

Date: February 19th

Time: 1:30 to 4:00 p.m.

Where: Conference Room 167-A
Oregon State Capital Bldg.
Salem, OR

[Madfingers]

If anyone else needs anymore proof that SCRF is anything more than a shill for LEO trying to pass herself off as a Patient Advocacy group this should do it.

Her agenda a right from Dan Harmons and the Drug Free Workplaces playbook.

I do believe we have friends their with Sen Morrisette and Peter Buckley and there are people going to monitor the activities.

Madfingers

[ching]

Thanks for these posts. I`m still learning the political side of all this and these help.

[PotionMaker]

If anyone else needs anymore proof that SCRF is anything more than a shill for LEO trying to pass herself off as a Patient Advocacy group this should do it.

Her agenda a right from Dan Harmons and the Drug Free Workplaces playbook.

I do believe we have friends their with Sen Morrisette and Peter Buckley and there are people going to monitor the activities.

Madfingers

Hey Madfingers...I went to a couple of those meeting a few years ago, and tried to help out, but I couldn't hang with the political stuff. I felt like I was blind...didn't know who was really for who, everyone seemed to have their own agenda's. Then I started hearing people there badmouth OGF, and that was when I decided my time was better spent elsewhere...like taking care of my own business. I just wanted to help educate people, but am not at all interested in being part of any of these "private" groups who seem to think their voice is all that matters to those who it matters to. Seems to me, we should be working together...maybe it wasn't all of SRCF, maybe just a few, but that was enough for me.

Besides, most of us need support and help from each other, not that crap. I'm sure glad you guys are here, Madfingers. Thanks :)

[kali ma]

I am happy to hear that folks will be there to see what is happening.

I feel it could be potentially really important.

Meetings like this (in my opinion) are what led to 1085.

At the very least, it needs monitored.

I also feel that concerned patients could be communicating with the legislators and leo who look like they are participating and let them know the truth of our lives and that Stormy may claim to represent us, but we don't claim her as a representative.

Luckily, Peter Buckley and Senator Morrisette, as well as the ACLU are less likely to be convinced by SRCF.

McDonnel and Suver would like to massacre our program, in my opinion.

Katie Suver is the Marion County DA who is prosecuting Ganja Rob and Stacee.

I am sorry I cannot go myself , I would really like to witness this.
Unfortunately, I have a date with a root canal today. Probably less painful than going to this summit would have been.

Please, anyone who attends, report back.

Thanks,
km

[muuffy]

I wish I had found this earlier! I would have happily gone and played 'fly on the wall'...slept late this am and didn't log on till just a while ago.
Hey k.m.. I could send you my phone number and when last minute things like this come up you could call me...I only live in Albany...can normally be ready to 'rock and roll' in about an hour..
at this point in time though I wouldn't get there until they were almost done...rats!
Maybe I can help out the next time.
muuffy:D

[AlphaMale]

The following was in a posting on dpfor from a fund raising letter circulated by SR foundation. As you can see, Miss Ray is NO friend of our movement or mission.


"Other initiatives in 2008 will try and create medical marijuana dispensaries
within Oregon. I believe allowing this to happen will invite federal
intervention and encourage profiteering and abuse. Ultimately, dispensaries
in Oregon would discredit and endanger the best medical marijuana program in
the United States of America.



Your support will insure the Stormy Ray Cardholders' Foundation's continuing
success!



Please consider making a tax deductible donation. We are all volunteers at
SRCF. 100% of donations and membership fees go toward education, protecting
patients and improving our program."

Stormy has been in bed with LEO for as long as I have been aware of her, and that does not bode well for us poor patients and cardholders in the OMMP, as she and them will do everything they can to interfere, disrupt, and dismantle the good parts of the program.
And she has the balls to ask for financial support for this crappola?
She is drunk on the KoolAide of power and influence. Follow the money and the power...there's Stormy.

thanx kali ma and Mad for keeping us posted. oh yeah, here's just another little excerpt from her letter in dpfor.


"In 2005, SRCF worked with the Oregon State Police and legislators to develop
improvements to OMMA that have simultaneously benefited patients, and
reduced the abuse within our program.


The result was SB 1085....guess that answers the question re who was behind 1085...S Ray and cops. She did more harm than good....read lose teens.
.

best,
AM

[StoneyGirl]

I've been bedridden with the flu for the last week, or I wopuld have gone to this. Did anyone go? Could we get a report?

[StoneyGirl]

We should bring a proposal of our own to the legislators. What would be on our wish-list for improving OMMA?

1. Medical necissity clause.

2. larger plant count

3. higher weight allowance

4. dispensaries

5. research

6. mmj friendly care facilities

7. removal of size limits (no more 12X12 rule)

[kristi]

Does anyone have a report on what happened at this meeting?

What more of our rights and protections is this person whom LEO appointed as our SOLE "spokesperson" in there secretly trading away? :mad:

Any report as to why the ACMM, who the LAW dictates this sort of stuff is to be gone through was not even informed of this meeting?

[StoneyGirl]

VPAB- Re: VPBOD- SRCF OMMA Summit Report



Here is my report regarding the SRCF OMMA Summit. The quick version is that it seemed that SRCF was willing to give up too much while LE was not willing to give up anything.

The invited attendees who showed were: Senator Morrisette (along with Don Bishof), Lt. Dingamen, Katie Suver, Peter Shepard of the AG's office, and Aaron Smith (sitting in for Kathy Hahn of Oregon Pain Management). Of course, Stormy and Jerry were there and Neal Larson was audio taping the meeting. There were also to SRCF members, one who said that she was Stormy's caregiver. I was joined by Kay Dickerson. Also in attendance were two patients that attend our open houses and have joined a newly formed patient support group called the Salem Alternative Health Alliance and two other patients who just qualified thru our clinic last month.

Jerry opened the meeting with a good overview of the latest medical news and laid out what he would like addressed by the group: the Hub, SB 465, PRMG certification, and the problems surrounding the 12-inch rule. He mentioned that this meeting came about because of discussions with Lt. Dingamen over lunch where they decided to meet, discuss agendas, and try to reach a consensus bill that will help patients and reduce abuse. They hope to have quarterly meetings. He then took a cheap shot at CA dispensaries, calling CA "a joke" and mentioning the 60 Minutes segment on "Pot Shops", falsely stating that a dispensary was signing up fake patients, one who got her card because her shoes were hurting her feet (I believe that it was a medical marijuana clinic that signed up those patients and the issue regarding "fake" patients is due to the law allowing "any condition" to qualify, not the fact that there are dispensaries.)

Right after Jerry's intro, the uninvited guests were told by Stormy to exit the room until we were told it was alright to re-enter. I was also told to return the binder they were handing out that contained medical information--she did say that she would make me a copy if I wanted. I gave back the binder and we waited outside the room until we were told it was okay to come back in. I will check and see if this temporary exclusion violates any ethics/open meetings law and what recourse we have.

SRCF Agenda
The Hub: Declared dead because the AGs office has determined that it would open up government employees to federal conspiracy charges. The AGs office does believe that the state merely issuing cards to exempt people from state law is ok and that they are willing to fight the feds in court on that issue. Morrisette stated that any bill that would open up government employees to possible prosecution will not pass even if there is a change in administration because state officials do not want to count on having a favorable administration in office. Morrisette stated that he wants a solution to the supply problem, but that there may not be one available because of federal interference.

Morrisette and Bishof left the meeting early and so I chased them down in the hallway and gave them copies of our dispensary initiative and told them that Voter Power supports both the Hub and the State Garden/Dispensary ideas but that it seemed that federal law prohibits state officials from participating in the distribution of medical marijuana in any way. Our proposal keeps state officials out of distribution, so that they only have to do what they do now: issue cards and collect the revenue. Both stated that they would support our proposal, but that we would need to get LE on board. I am going to give Bishof a call later today and see if he can facilitate meetings between us and LE.

SB 465: Jerry mentioned how drug tests don't test impairment and that any legislation dealing with workplace safety should include impairment tests, not urine. There was no more discussion of the bill. LE didn't seem to care about this issue at all.

PRMG certification: SRCF wants PRMGs forced to take a class about the law and how to grow. Senator Morrisette stated that this would keep many people from agreeing to be PRMGs so it didn't seem like this idea had legs.

Better Patient & LE relations: Dingamen said that he was willing to have LE help provide classes for patients regarding the law so long as those classes don't include any tips on growing medical marijuana.

Uniform LE rules: SRCF is rightfully concerned that each county seems to have a different interpretation of OMMA. The AGs office said that they would work on uniform LE guidelines that will be posted on the web, although noting that they AG wouldn't be able to address every aspect of the law.

12-inch rule fix: SRCF wants to have 6 of the 18 seedlings to be allowed to reach 18 inches to help better compliance of the law. Jerry admitted that he is out of compliance, and committing a felony, the final two weeks of every harvest because his seedlings get taller than 12 inches. He then erroneously stated that "all" growers are out of compliance the final weeks before harvest. Dingamen seemed like he didn't mind allowing 18 inch seedlings, but Katie Suver was adament that she was not willing to sign off on this idea unless patients were willing to decrease the number of mature plants (down to 3, I think she mentioned.) Katie's basis for her stance is that bigger seedlings allow for bigger plants which allow for more marijuana which allows for more abuse, especially since Jerry told her that the current plant limits are "more than enough for the average patient." Also, Katie mentioned that if growers are truly concerned about staying compliant then they will not have as many plants in flower. Dingamen did say that he would talk to Katie this issue and see if there some numbers that they could agree to.

LE Agenda
Notifying DHS when planning to move growsite: LE wants patients to have to call DHS, notifying them when they plan to move their growsite because they are encountering unregistered growsites operating under the 30 day window that DHS allows to notify them of changes. SRCF is willing to go along with this.

Limit on wet marijuana: Do to a recent Oregon Court of Appeals decision, and the great legal minds who wrote briefs and argued the case, there is currently not a limit on the amount of harvested, but still wet marijuana, so long as that amount can reasonably be attributed to the legal number of plants (correct me if I'm wrong on this Lee). So, LE wants a clear bright line limit, but never threw out a specific number. SRCF is willing to go along with this.

Limit on transportation: LE wants to limit cardholders to 24 ounces when transporting as well as prohibit the transportation of plants except from registered growsite to registered growsite. SRCF is willing to go along with this.

LE returning medicine: LE is concerned about violating federal law when forced to return medicine to patients. Senator Morrisette stated that the only other option is compensating the patients with money. LE wasn't really keen on that idea and SRCF stated that LE should return the medicine because money is not a suitable replacement since patients don't have a place to legally purchase medicine. The AGs office also stated that while it is theoretically possible for the feds to charge LEOs, practically speaking there is no way that the feds would prosecute officers who are ordered by state courts to return medicine. So for once, a LE idea was shot down.

Outlawing hash: Both Dingamen and Suver operate under the assumption that has is illegal because it is the Oregon Medical Marijuana Act and that hash is treated differently by both state and federal law. Suver stated that when LEOs call her and ask about hash that she tells them that it is illegal. SRCF countered that the law states that "any mixture or preparation" of the marijuana plant is allowed and that the courts have ruled that has is allowed. Suver stated that she believed that hash had a different chemical makeup than marijuana and that there is not a court of appeals decision stating that has is legal (of course, ignoring the fact that some cases won't make it to appeal because a grand jury will refuse to indict, such as the recent Keizer case.) SRCF stated that they would be okay with limiting cardholders to just one ounce of hash. (On a side not, during this discussiong, LE stated their interpretation is that marijuana edibles are weighed according to the entire weight of the product, not the amount of marijuana that went into it.)

The meeting was adjourned around 4 and SRCF seemed pleased with the meeting even though it sure seemed that patients were giving things up while LE was not budging on anything.

Anthony Johnson
Voter Power Political Director
503.224.3051 v
503.235.5365 f
anthony@voterpower.org
www.voterpower.org (http://www.voterpower.org/)

[Tom Servo]

WOW. What a great lesson for me to see so early on in my card holding life! The whole political aspect of the OMMP is just insane! :confused: I had bookmarked the SRCF when I was ramping up my research to see if mmj would possibly help me and I had NO idea....needless to say, they are no longer on my favorites list!! Straight to the round file with ya...

Thanks for forwarding this report StoneyGirl! :wub_anim:

[kristi]

Stoneygirl, where was this posted? I did not see anything on dpfor or on the Voter Power website....

I see no representatives were there from DHS and the legislative reps were only there a short time so mostly it was a LEO/SRCF meeting.... (a summit :o)

[StoneyGirl]

It wasn't posted anywhere, but I don't think Anthony will mind my posting it here.

[ClozetGrl]

This has been VERY eye opening! Thanks for sharing. ;)

WOW. What a great lesson for me to see so early on in my card holding life! The whole political aspect of the OMMP is just insane! :confused: I had bookmarked the SRCF when I was ramping up my research to see if mmj would possibly help me and I had NO idea....needless to say, they are no longer on my favorites list!! Straight to the round file with ya...

Thanks for forwarding this report StoneyGirl! :wub_anim:

[berserker101]

Thank you for posting this SG..I have been waiting for Anthony's take on this "summit'.
I felt it would be better to hear what went on there from a better versed and experienced activist than from me..:mellow:..I am glad you were there...thanks.

I think that Anthony's take on this meeting is dead-on.

I have added comments in red to the post so everyone can read it again. Anthony did an excellent job in letting you all know what went on there...so please read it again and make note of it....so you can keep track of how these points presented by SRF and LEO change as this summit goes on. I is my understanding that this summit will meet quarterly as well as any special meetings that are needed. There will also be a forum or DPFOR type list that will be for those who are members of this summit. I am told there are more members of the summit who were sent packets who were not there at this first meeting. I was not told who these people were.

I am sure there are those of you who are wondering and asking the question.." what the hell is Berserker101 doing operating a tape recorder at this Stormy Ray summit".....Well you will have to read Anthony's post again along with my comments.
I will answer this question at the end of this post....:rolleyes:



VPAB- Re: VPBOD- SRCF OMMA Summit Report



Here is my report regarding the SRCF OMMA Summit. The quick version is that it seemed that SRCF was willing to give up too much while LE was not willing to give up anything.

The invited attendees who showed were: Senator Morrisette (along with Don Bishof), Lt. Dingamen, Katie Suver, Peter Shepard of the AG's office, and Aaron Smith (sitting in for Kathy Hahn of Oregon Pain Management). Of course, Stormy and Jerry were there and Neal Larson(Neil Larsen) was audio taping the meeting. There were also to SRCF members, one who said that she was Stormy's caregiver. I was joined by Kay Dickerson. Also in attendance were two patients that attend our open houses and have joined a newly formed patient support group called the Salem Alternative Health Alliance and two other patients who just qualified thru our clinic last month.

Jerry opened the meeting with a good overview of the latest medical news and laid out what he would like addressed by the group: the Hub, SB 465, PRMG certification, and the problems surrounding the 12-inch rule. He mentioned that this meeting came about because of discussions with Lt. Dingamen over lunch where they decided to meet, discuss agendas, and try to reach a consensus bill that will help patients and reduce abuse. They hope to have quarterly meetings. He then took a cheap shot at CA dispensaries, calling CA "a joke" and mentioning the 60 Minutes segment on "Pot Shops", falsely stating that a dispensary was signing up fake patients, one who got her card because her shoes were hurting her feet (I believe that it was a medical marijuana clinic that signed up those patients and the issue regarding "fake" patients is due to the law allowing "any condition" to qualify, not the fact that there are dispensaries.)
I was told by SR that it was Lt.Dingamen that asked her to hold this summit. Not sure who made the invite list.
Right after Jerry's intro, the uninvited guests were told by Stormy to exit the room until we were told it was alright to re-enter. I was also told to return the binder they were handing out that contained medical information--she did say that she would make me a copy if I wanted. I gave back the binder and we waited outside the room until we were told it was okay to come back in. I will check and see if this temporary exclusion violates any ethics/open meetings law and what recourse we have.
There may be a violation here, it would be interesting to know. I ask as well if I should leave the rommand was told I could stay? I beleive that others were asked to leave so as to protect the privacy of these patients.
SRCF Agenda
The Hub: Declared dead because the AGs office has determined that it would open up government employees to federal conspiracy charges. The AGs office does believe that the state merely issuing cards to exempt people from state law is ok and that they are willing to fight the feds in court on that issue. Morrisette stated that any bill that would open up government employees to possible prosecution will not pass even if there is a change in administration because state officials do not want to count on having a favorable administration in office. Morrisette stated that he wants a solution to the supply problem, but that there may not be one available because of federal interference.
Shepard made reference to the Death with Dignity Act as I remember..he seemed to be thinking alot about this as he memtioned it twice during the meeting.
Morrisette and Bishof left the meeting early and so I chased them down in the hallway and gave them copies of our dispensary initiative and told them that Voter Power supports both the Hub and the State Garden/Dispensary ideas but that it seemed that federal law prohibits state officials from participating in the distribution of medical marijuana in any way. Our proposal keeps state officials out of distribution, so that they only have to do what they do now: issue cards and collect the revenue. Both stated that they would support our proposal, but that we would need to get LE on board. I am going to give Bishof a call later today and see if he can facilitate meetings between us and LE.
I would love to see more exchanges between LEO and all activists orgs......:)
SB 465: Jerry mentioned how drug tests don't test impairment and that any legislation dealing with workplace safety should include impairment tests, not urine. There was no more discussion of the bill. LE didn't seem to care about this issue at all.
I liked this being brought to the table..perhaps some headway can be gained in the upcomming battle that the DrugFree workplace group is bringing upon our program?
PRMG certification: SRCF wants PRMGs forced to take a class about the law and how to grow. Senator Morrisette stated that this would keep many people from agreeing to be PRMGs so it didn't seem like this idea had legs.
As I remember Shepard shot this down as well..saying the state would not be teaching anyone how to grow.
Something to do with the state aiding and abetting and the Feds would'nt go for it?
Better Patient & LE relations: Dingamen said that he was willing to have LE help provide classes for patients regarding the law so long as those classes don't include any tips on growing medical marijuana.
I found it interesting that Dingaman would offer to to something that the DHS is supposed to be doing NOW?
But at the same time I feel that his offer is a step in the right direction.
Uniform LE rules: SRCF is rightfully concerned that each county seems to have a different interpretation of OMMA. The AGs office said that they would work on uniform LE guidelines that will be posted on the web, although noting that they AG wouldn't be able to address every aspect of the law.
Again a step in the right direction. As this is put together it will be interesting to see what is addressed.
12-inch rule fix: SRCF wants to have 6 of the 18 seedlings to be allowed to reach 18 inches to help better compliance of the law. Jerry admitted that he is out of compliance, and committing a felony, the final two weeks of every harvest because his seedlings get taller than 12 inches. He then erroneously stated that "all" growers are out of compliance the final weeks before harvest. Dingamen seemed like he didn't mind allowing 18 inch seedlings, but Katie Suver was adament that she was not willing to sign off on this idea unless patients were willing to decrease the number of mature plants (down to 3, I think she mentioned.) Katie's basis for her stance is that bigger seedlings allow for bigger plants which allow for more marijuana which allows for more abuse, especially since Jerry told her that the current plant limits are "more than enough for the average patient." Also, Katie mentioned that if growers are truly concerned about staying compliant then they will not have as many plants in flower. Dingamen did say that he would talk to Katie this issue and see if there some numbers that they could agree to.
I was careful to not get to close to the thorns in the room..SR included....but katie.....she was the sharpest.



LE Agenda
Notifying DHS when planning to move growsite: LE wants patients to have to call DHS, notifying them when they plan to move their growsite because they are encountering unregistered growsites operating under the 30 day window that DHS allows to notify them of changes. SRCF is willing to go along with this.
Accountability on the part of patients could address LEO's concerns. I will hold more comment and see if this issue is changed at all over the next 10 months.
Limit on wet marijuana: Do to a recent Oregon Court of Appeals decision, and the great legal minds who wrote briefs and argued the case, there is currently not a limit on the amount of harvested, but still wet marijuana, so long as that amount can reasonably be attributed to the legal number of plants (correct me if I'm wrong on this Lee). So, LE wants a clear bright line limit, but never threw out a specific number. SRCF is willing to go along with this.
LEO is not sure how to address this issue and I hope some clear lines can be drawn that will help LEO and protect patients.
Limit on transportation: LE wants to limit cardholders to 24 ounces when transporting as well as prohibit the transportation of plants except from registered growsite to registered growsite. SRCF is willing to go along with this.
Just a bad idea.
LE returning medicine: LE is concerned about violating federal law when forced to return medicine to patients. Senator Morrisette stated that the only other option is compensating the patients with money. LE wasn't really keen on that idea and SRCF stated that LE should return the medicine because money is not a suitable replacement since patients don't have a place to legally purchase medicine. The AGs office also stated that while it is theoretically possible for the feds to charge LEOs, practically speaking there is no way that the feds would prosecute officers who are ordered by state courts to return medicine. So for once, a LE idea was shot down.
Perhaps Shepard can help to make this more clear to LEO?
Outlawing hash: Both Dingamen and Suver operate under the assumption that has is illegal because it is the Oregon Medical Marijuana Act and that hash is treated differently by both state and federal law. Suver stated that when LEOs call her and ask about hash that she tells them that it is illegal. SRCF countered that the law states that "any mixture or preparation" of the marijuana plant is allowed and that the courts have ruled that has is allowed. Suver stated that she believed that hash had a different chemical makeup than marijuana and that there is not a court of appeals decision stating that has is legal (of course, ignoring the fact that some cases won't make it to appeal because a grand jury will refuse to indict, such as the recent Keizer case.) SRCF stated that they would be okay with limiting cardholders to just one ounce of hash. (On a side not, during this discussiong, LE stated their interpretation is that marijuana edibles are weighed according to the entire weight of the product, not the amount of marijuana that went into it.)
This is just wrong and I hope Shepard will be able to set them straight.
The meeting was adjourned around 4 and SRCF seemed pleased with the meeting even though it sure seemed that patients were giving things up while LE was not budging on anything.

Anthony Johnson
Voter Power Political Director
503.224.3051 v
503.235.5365 f
anthony@voterpower.org
www.voterpower.org (http://www.voterpower.org/)

Now the answer as to why Berserker101 was there.
SR posted on DPFOR that she was putting on this summit and wanted help from anyone who was interested.
I looked at it as an opportunity to see first hand the working process of such summits and how SR and the others viewed each others concerns and issues. I am very interested to see how it all develops over the next 10 months.
SR is VERY aware of my close ties with OGF and although she dislikes OGF she allowed me to help out.
I am told that I am welcome to every meeting to help with recording.
I am in no way a part of the members of this summit.
Not being any kind of mole for anyone..it is more for me and is giving me a better understanding of this game of politics.....:spaceman:

Neil Larsen...AKA..Berserker101

[big stevo]

Thank's for your report and your take on this summit...:cool:

[kristi]

The biggest problem and the one that makes the whole "summit" completely bogus is the fact that she is there as the only one "representing the patients".....:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: AND at the request of Dingaman too :rolleyes: who has NO respect for the program, the patients on it or the will of the voters although he has a friend in SR. If you go to her website you will see all the legislative proposals she has had a part in and every single one of them were crafted hand in hand with and in favor of LEO. Who is the Stormy Ray Foundation and who does it represent?

All of the items on this agenda should have been addressed at the ACMM level :mad: and not only with Stormy Ray. I am outraged and I smell a rat. Who in the hell are they to tell the cops that we are all "out of compliance" during certian phases of the grow cycle? Or to help decide to "draw some clear bright lines" on limiting wet cannabis..... of course SR/Dingaman was completely against the designation of grower.....

Neil you misspoke when you said SR put out a call to allow anyone to help... this is what she said: SRCF will also be accepting written suggestions from all OMMA stakeholders about possible issues and achievable solutions they believe will make our law stronger. Their personal experiences implementing OMMA will be vital in helping Summit Members understand how OMMA is impacting Oregonians. She made it clear in her initial announcement and when she kicked everyone out of the room that she has no intention of opening up the process to those groups who actually DO represent patients.

Kali Ma I am with you, the root canal would have been preferrable to watching the OMMA get potentially screwed yet again by the smiling SR.

Until we make it clear to our legislators and our neighbors and our communities who we are and that she is not our spokesman, we will be stuck with this LEO puppet and her "summit"..... :mad: making decisions about our medicine instead of you as a patient along with your doctor where it belongs. That is why Dingaman/SR bypassed the ACMM which does include doctors, is headed up by the director of an advocate group with doctors on staff and groups that represent real patients like OURS!

[big stevo]

Very good assessment on the summit kristi, and I must say that I agree 100%...;)

[AlphaMale]

I am very suspicious of SR and her minions, and have zero respect for the LEO "involved" with her and the phony "patient centered" facade she puts forward.


LEO is not nor will they ever be an advocate for patients anythang. LEO must be led kicking and screaming into compliance thems elves,....what makes anyone believe they just want to make things "easier"? That is laughable on the face of it.l

I appreciate your efforts Neil....I would find it difficult to sit thru the b.s. and have a lot of respect for those who do. And Anthony as well. I wonder if the presence of LEO in an official capacity brings these meetings under the sunshine laws? Would that be relevant to being asked to leave? Even if in this case it is true that the request was made to protect patients identities, shouldn't that have been made perfectly clear?, and what is to prevent SR from excluding anyone for anything such as OGF affiliation. Are we to feel privileged that SR would condescend to allow one of us lowlifes at her precious summit?
This HOLE thang makes me want to upchuck.
Don't trust SR or LEO...nope...wouldn't be prudent.

best always,
AM

[kristi]

I think anyone that stated they were there representing OGF would have been asked to leave as well...... she does not appreciate OGF as all those pesky patients/growers/caregivers united with opinions WILL get in her/their way:mad:

In the letter from SR that kali ma posted there are e-mail addresses to the "summit" members - let those legislators know SR does not represent you (the cops and the DA already know ;))

[AlphaMale]

I am happy to hear that folks will be there to see what is happening.

I feel it could be potentially really important.

Meetings like this (in my opinion) are what led to 1085.

At the very least, it needs monitored.

I also feel that concerned patients could be communicating with the legislators and leo who look like they are participating and let them know the truth of our lives and that Stormy may claim to represent us, but we don't claim her as a representative.

Luckily, Peter Buckley and Senator Morrisette, as well as the ACLU are less likely to be convinced by SRCF.

McDonnel and Suver would like to massacre our program, in my opinion.

Katie Suver is the Marion County DA who is prosecuting Ganja Rob and Stacee.

I am sorry I cannot go myself , I would really like to witness this.
Unfortunately, I have a date with a root canal today. Probably less painful than going to this summit would have been.

Please, anyone who attends, report back.

Thanks,
km

I wanted to repost this in case anyone wants to send that email krisit suggested...just so you know whos' who in the zoo.

That Suver is the Marion Co DA and is included in SRs lil summit should be sufficient to cause alarm IMO. A pox on this crappola!

AM

[pSteve]

The list of recipients is pretty telling.
Katie Suver is one of the most anti OMMP prosecuters in Oregon.
This is not about fixing OMMP.
It's about killing it.

[pSteve]

Just noticed this is really old.
:o:p

[PHRoG]

The list of recipients is pretty telling.
Katie Suver is one of the most anti OMMP prosecuters in Oregon.
This is not about fixing OMMP.
It's about killing it.
Uhmmmmm....pSteve?

http://www.rooney.org/tlc/silly/holy%20thread%20resurrection.jpg

I know you didn't do it, was the guy above ya...but uhm...yeah.

[PHRoG]

Just noticed this is really old.
:o:p
HAHHAHAHAHAHAA

[pSteve]

Uhmmmmm....pSteve?


I know you didn't do it, was the guy above ya...
Was it?
;):D:D:D