Finally, Back home from surgery

[cheech]

:o Finally, I'm home and in recovery stage manageing my own medication and dealing with the pain and the lack of mobility,
" Your not a young man anymore". But still with the loss of one atribute maybe the gain of another , who knows for sure anyway.
I'm tired of the hospital protocal and procedure crap. " I need a pain med please, " ' " Oh, sir let me check your chart and see what the orders are so we can be able to give you relief " Damn , by the time that all takes place with them haveing 15 to 20 patients to attend to at any one time you could have died and gone to heaven . Holy sweet.... anyway, I still don't know where I packet my emergency supply of mmj meds since I'm still in the midths of moving , and I still don't know if I need to renew since I didn't renew when they asked from may 2005 to May 2006 , and nobody seems to know , so I guess I'll find out when I go to the voters choice clinic in Coos Bay. Sometime this summer or spring. All I can say is its good to be in your own little environment again home is where my heart lives, for sure. :D cheech

[kareem ahvunyun]

Glad that You are back where the Heart is!!

[med4me]

Take care of yourself. I can only imagine how much pain you have been through up to this point. I hope that it is all constructive from here on out. I am supposed to have some kind of evil sounding surgery on my spine as well, but I keep getting other health crises so it keeps getting pushed back. I'd like to know how you progress, and if you don't mind sharing with me I have zillions of questions.
med4me
Holly
Pm me if you please.

[clinton]

Have you tried to take your meds with you to the hospital? I did earlier this year and my doctor had no problems with it. The nurses on the floor didnt have any problems. But Nurse Hack - the administrator of that floor did. It was great while it lasted. Next time Im bringing my HerbalAire. Thats not smoking.

I hate the down time. I omce spent 4 months in that place.

clinton

[cheech]

Take care of yourself. I can only imagine how much pain you have been through up to this point. I hope that it is all constructive from here on out. I am supposed to have some kind of evil sounding surgery on my spine as well, but I keep getting other health crises so it keeps getting pushed back. I'd like to know how you progress, and if you don't mind sharing with me I have zillions of questions.
med4me
Holly
Pm me if you please.[/b]


I PM you just a short note , and I thank you for your good wishes. Unfortuitly, I will experience Pain the rest of my life from this actual saving of my back bone form disappearing and disolving into dust before I hit my own Burial At Sea, as an old sea captain always states to his kin and young ones. Its basically, an old sea time duty accident from a sinking off Dutch Harbar in the 90's 450 miles offshore, being rescued by the Costys. My harness burst and I landed on my back of the starboard rail , and then into the sea. I thought for sure I was a dead man. All I could do with a tear is think of my two babies, and how much I loved them , and they where the only reason I was here in this ungod forsaken devel of a sea. Then I went under and began to loose trake. I went into a fantasy world , and was not afraid of death , and take the consiquences of my decision to go for the money, why in one year I could make over 250,000. I said yep thats it I'm takin my haul in cashin out and sellin the boat . But then again it was to late I saw here leave the surface moments ago and dive into the wet cold abiss. It was over , I was over , I felt nothing , and was getting grogy, want peace and rest for eternity, I wished I could hug my babies just one more time and then my face broke the surface, I looked striaght up and saw that red hulled blakhawk Cost Gard helo above me . I started to laugh like a mad man, and cry like a baby.
We'll med4me, you keep your faith high, and you mind on your final goal, and there anin't nothin you can't do. Keep in touch if you can with any questions or concerns. I hope my PM wasn't to abrupt, but what we don't learn we are doomed to repeat, and thats no where. we'llI'll be listenin on my emergency channel 16 for ya.... cheech, Ps. by the way I retired My children are grown, with me someday soon to be a Grandfather, both are married, and well my daughter is getting here education and so is her husband they work hard . My son is to be the new daddy in May, I can't wait . I guess the good Lord had other plans for me on that cold February day. Peace to you , Cheech

[cheech]

Have you tried to take your meds with you to the hospital? I did earlier this year and my doctor had no problems with it. The nurses on the floor didnt have any problems. But Nurse Hack - the administrator of that floor did. It was great while it lasted. Next time Im bringing my HerbalAire. Thats not smoking.

I hate the down time. I omce spent 4 months in that place.

clinton[/b]
Ya Know Clinton, It passed through my head cause I have a great vaporizor but, protocal and procedure as well as hospital policy dictate specifically under policy and procedures you are not through any means allowed to bring in even you Dr. Surgens precribed durgs into the hospital and can only use their drugs which I might add are half the potencey of what you are use to and what you have been takeing waiting months, and in my case almost over a year to for the procedure. Their pain medication was norcal which I would ask for two because less than a single perkasyte #5/325 and could not even feel any relief from it whats so ever . My stomach was so up set from the crap they called food , I asked for an ad Acid, and they said they where sorry all they could give me was milk of magnesia about a teaspoon of , cause it was not written on my chart by my doctor and not only that it was not on hospital formulary so just a simple wester family multiflaver chewabel harmless antacid was off limits . At that point I was on a war path for the closest exit and almost jumped ship to have my sistier bring me meds, and take me home, It was a nightmare. cheech PS. I managed to realize due to my good behavior, O2 levels , and the fact I was off the Imed and no pumps , I had voided and all this made me realize patients will win the day and it did my surgen let me out that day. Maybe I have learned something.

[clinton]

Ya Know Clinton, It passed through my head cause I have a great vaporizor but, protocal and procedure as well as hospital policy dictate specifically under policy and procedures you are not through any means allowed to bring in even you Dr. Surgens precribed durgs into the hospital and can only use their drugs which I might add are half the potencey of what you are use to and what you have been takeing waiting months, and in my case almost over a year to for the procedure. Their pain medication was norcal which I would ask for two because less than a single perkasyte #5/325 and could not even feel any relief from it whats so ever . My stomach was so up set from the crap they called food , I asked for an ad Acid, and they said they where sorry all they could give me was milk of magnesia about a teaspoon of , cause it was not written on my chart by my doctor and not only that it was not on hospital formulary so just a simple wester family multiflaver chewabel harmless antacid was off limits . At that point I was on a war path for the closest exit and almost jumped ship to have my sistier bring me meds, and take me home, It was a nightmare. cheech PS. I managed to realize due to my good behavior, O2 levels , and the fact I was off the Imed and no pumps , I had voided and all this made me realize patients will win the day and it did my surgen let me out that day. Maybe I have learned something.[/b]
Its a scary thing to be in the "care" of people you dont know. To have rules shoved into your face. Ive spent about 5 months total in hospitals. Ive had 2 surgeries this year. But dont believe the crap about perminent pain. Over time things to heal. And a positive "I will recover" attitue will help a lot.

As for rules. I break them often. I dont follow rules that do not put my best interests first. You could us hash cookies, or tinctures. Those are small and unless found by the admin natzi, you shouod do ok. I found that the worst part of pain is fear and worry related to your distress. I found that letting the pain flow through yourself without tighteniing up - its the best wy for me to deal with serious pain. I live with a constant level 3-4 pain basline. It does suck, but I can move and do what I need to live so its not so bad.

clinton

[Seasider]

Cheech....
I had 2 failed Bi-Lateral Laminectomies in the service,I know the level of pain you must endure.
For me,hypnosis worked miracles.A domino series of SMALL pain blockers deeply entrenched works.
Big blocks ALWAYS fail,so we came up with the "Domino Series" idea.Small blocks can be permanently placed and with practice will fall into place one by one until the pain stops.
It requires a clinical hypnotist (Because they can use hypnotic drugs)to do it right.
I used it to keep working for 25 years until the side effects became life endangering.
(Didn't feel all the pain but the bodies response I.E. blood pressure and stress chemicals still occur and my B.P. got up to 199-110 from all the pain I was blocking to keep going.On top of that I had gone through a colostomy,resection and mesh implant back in '88 and the damage from that increased my problems.)
It's not a perfect answer but hypnosis along with MMJ augmented with a couple vicodin a day and I'm back working NOW.(For now! Still hope to retire again soon.)
Look into it,you may find it's at least a PARTIAL answer and every little bit of relief helps.
Feel free to PM me if you need to.Advice I have plenty of,the benefit of dealing with a similar problem for 30 years.
Seasider :smiliz27:

[cheech]

Take care of yourself. I can only imagine how much pain you have been through up to this point. I hope that it is all constructive from here on out. I am supposed to have some kind of evil sounding surgery on my spine as well, but I keep getting other health crises so it keeps getting pushed back. I'd like to know how you progress, and if you don't mind sharing with me I have zillions of questions.
med4me
Holly
Pm me if you please.[/b]
Med4me, I just caught your thread .... and sure I'll inform you all my experiences, some good some not so good. Unfortunityly lots of pain. My surgery was postponed for a year and a half with my Lower Lumbar degenerated from arthitis, a disk shifted forward 50%, and V4-V5 deteriorated to the extent that my siatic nerve was being crushed, and causeing spiratic pain down my left leg , from my hip down the back side of my leg, under my knee caps, the bend under your knee, down my calf to my left ankle , all the way to a goated big toe. Yuky ehh. I endured that pain for a year in a half due to the nerosurgeon not scheduling me, and just giving me medication for pain with many excuses until, I unexpectedly walked into her office and crying demanded to see her, and find out why I was being ignored, at that time my whole body was reacting in pain, that was in August of 2005. I had to attend my sons wedding in June 2005, with all of this pain , but I didn't care , I was going to see my only son married and celebrate with him cause I love that boy of mine. I even got up and danced, cause of that song I kept hearing in my head, about remembering whether you would sit this one out , or get up and dance,, with tears in my eyes I danced at my sons wedding , and a smile on my face cause, this was our only life time experience and I wasn't going to miss it for the world.
Anyway, enough of my emotions... My surgery was the 18th of December with a Orthopedic surgeon she (the nero surg.) finally referred me to. The moment I met him, at the pre op app., I knew this guys a real Doctor. I worked in Orthopedic Surgery for 20 years at Sutter General one of the leading Ortho Surg clinics on the West Coast. We did it all Fusion (which is what I had, and one of the worst surgeries I felt at the time I would never want done to me , and here I am), Knees, Hips , shoulders. elbows. you name the bone and area and I worked as Surgical Technition for many famous Ortho Surgeons. So, I have some experience in the surgical setting. When I spoke to my Doctor the surgeon who did my surgery, I don't think its appropriate to name names, but If you want it PM me . Its kind of like a car mechanic... if you want the electrical done and fixed due to some short in the system you go to a nerological surgeon, but if you need some engine or body work done you go to the expert the Ortho surgeon. This guy impressed me in two moments, he was a very impressive man, tall with salt and pepper hair Vangoe facial hair with mustache, just like mine long and gray. I don't know I was impressionable and in pain and faith was rising from my soul as he spoke to me and told me exactly what the procedure would be. Which, of course I could see in my mind from the thousands of surgeries I assisted in , and participated with instrumentation and patient care.
Its been a month, and three days since this life changing event, and I have my good days and sometimes my bad days , with depression, and inflamitory problems which could be resolved with mmj, but I am still not verified and the medication I grew when I was verified is unavailable to me now. So, I deal with Ibuprofin , which has side effects in your stomach, and Oxycodon which makes you dizzy and sleepy all the time. I try to exercise cause the Doctor told me not to sit on my butt , get up and walk and walk and walk, so I use my treadmill, but sometimes I get to over involved and do to much cause its to cold out side to walk and so I'll do 15 or 20 min. @ 1.5 or 2 miles an hour and feel great , only to find out the next day that I can hardly walk , cause I did to much, so there's a matter of adjustment to be made in how much you push your luck. I should try to cut it inhalf so I don't spend myself in one session, and blow it for two days after.
I do feel a foreign body at the small of my back, cause tytainium plates and screws are supporting me now and it will take a year to be fully or so they say the bone and muscle to incapsulate the plate and make it one with your back bone.
There is to be no lifting of any kind for 6 months ( and here I am moving with my sister and brother in law probably by april) . Autually, they are moving a truck load this weekend, but I can't help , which is truely frustrating. We are moving to our golden years Hamlit in the coastal foothills in the middle of the Oregon Coast, which has been our dream for many years. Of course I didn't know I would be Disabled for the glourious event&, but I will love and enjoy it just as much. By the way the assistant surgeon said the back bone is very similar to that of the neck bone of a hourse and easily broken cause of its configuration so any degenerative desease like arthitis is dangerous, so I really had to do something about it if I want to hold my Baby Granddaughter who's arriving in May of this year, yes God has blessed me with a granddaughter. So we get the good with the not so good and life has a way of blending it to keep your life in balance.
Thats probably more than you wanted to hear about this old mans surgery experience, but Med4Me if you have any specific questions, just ask I'm a pretty open individual and as you can see , I don't mind talking. Thanks for your interest its kind of good for my Mind & body and emotions to talk about it, and review all that the all Mighty has given me. Also, the well wishers here at OGF, with their compassionate feelings and heart felt vibrations. I Love this group . I truely do. The morning I went to surgery It was about 5 am and I forgot I wrote "Here I go", I noticed just the other day that some folks here prayed for me and gave me vibrations from Psyhic feelings of American Indian drum beats, which spelled to her a strong and new flowing of fluids in my lower back region, and a recovery. You can't get that from anywhere but OGF people, they are truely family of a sort, and I appreciate there warmth and concern. Well enough... Hope your experience is as interesting as mine, I'm trying daily to improve and its going slowly, but surely, I know as my surgeon that I will always have pain, but I expected it and What is life without feeling. Good old mmj will keep me anchored to the shoal, when the seas get ruff, and I'll keep my bow to the wind and climb the wave to follow its back side to the trouf . Peace My friend cheech :wub:

[cheech]

Glad that You are back where the Heart is!![/b]


Thanks Kareem Ahvunyun, Its good to be home again. cheech

[cheech]

Cheech....
I had 2 failed Bi-Lateral Laminectomies in the service,I know the level of pain you must endure.
For me,hypnosis worked miracles.A domino series of SMALL pain blockers deeply entrenched works.
Big blocks ALWAYS fail,so we came up with the "Domino Series" idea.Small blocks can be permanently placed and with practice will fall into place one by one until the pain stops.
It requires a clinical hypnotist (Because they can use hypnotic drugs)to do it right.
I used it to keep working for 25 years until the side effects became life endangering.
(Didn't feel all the pain but the bodies response I.E. blood pressure and stress chemicals still occur and my B.P. got up to 199-110 from all the pain I was blocking to keep going.On top of that I had gone through a colostomy,resection and mesh implant back in '88 and the damage from that increased my problems.)
It's not a perfect answer but hypnosis along with MMJ augmented with a couple vicodin a day and I'm back working NOW.(For now! Still hope to retire again soon.)
Look into it,you may find it's at least a PARTIAL answer and every little bit of relief helps.
Feel free to PM me if you need to.Advice I have plenty of,the benefit of dealing with a similar problem for 30 years.
Seasider :smiliz27: [/b]


Thanks Seasider, Thats quite a unique approach, I'm open to anything that works. Although the funny thing, I seem to know when this acutually started to occure, and it was at least 12 years ago , when I was a mate on the The Lady Duchess out of Dutch Harbor in Alaska doin the crab game to make a fortune, and retire early. Which I did, but at a price. So, Now I pay the price ... except I had to give up my Ommp card last year cause of the pain and couldn't garden let alone walk. But, I am back at the coast again Like the old days, and things have a way of changing . In a year my bones will grow around my tytainium plate and screws, and my ablilities will improve maybe making it worth renewing or reapplying and starting again cause MMJ works the best for me. The antiinflamitory, nondepression, pain reduction... lets just say it does it all for me. The surgeon said not to lift for six months and your healing will take a year, but you will still have pain, which I understand and can live with if I can manage my pain through like you have said... by my own skills. I know what works and what doen't. I walk a lot and enjoy it , and plan to do more at our new home in the costal foot hill in central Oregon. Your right about augmenting a couple potential solutions to pain management , and someday the state and feds hopefully will realize we patients are not children needing a baby sitter, we are grown with experience and know what is good for our needs Thanks for the advise, Hope to meet you someday at a OGF funtion, and talk over lifes experience over a cup cake or brownie if you know what I mean. Peace to you Seasider, Cheech

[boxofrain]

Cheech, don't wait till you can grow to get your card. Many compassionates here would help out while the healing goes on. Coquille is a very beautiful area, no better to walk in.
PM me as soon as you are a cardholder and we'll VISIT!
Just reading these last few posts makes my back hurt!

[cheech]

Cheech, don't wait till you can grow to get your card. Many compassionates here would help out while the healing goes on. Coquille is a very beautiful area, no better to walk in.
PM me as soon as you are a cardholder and we'll VISIT!
Just reading these last few posts makes my back hurt![/b]




Thank you boxofrain, I'll be looking your way as soon as we move, which might be sooner than I think , I'm still pretty immobized, and with pain, my sister and brother in law are moving a big truck load tomarrow, I will stay home , I now have the flu and it is kicking my butt. I'm staying with the animals, and we have not sold this house yet. We sold the ranch in Bonanza, but still have a home in Klamath, its for sale. We bought a house which is now empty in Coquille, and slowly we approaching a total move. Unforturnitly, all of us have health issues, mine the most dibilitating at the moment. My poor brother has had colen cancer and the same fusion I experienced. So, this is the last move. With all the hopefull walking I will do in the new community, I'm glad to here it is an experience to behold. I seriously can't wait. Thanks for you note , I'll keep your date in mind when we get set up there. I'll be contacting someone for clinics in Coos Bay for Dr. verifications for a new card hopefully soon. Thanks again boxofrain, peace cheeech

[brett]

i also have the name of a good neurosurgon here in so oregon . just had c6-7 fused w donner bone on 11th of this month, can relate to the pain from siatic nerve lost almost all my strenght in left arm not to mention the re acurring charley hose type feelings i was getting in my lft forearm. strenght is back 90 %of pain is gone, this guy "doctor" is short on words but long on skill thank god.

peace brett

[cheech]

Take care of yourself. I can only imagine how much pain you have been through up to this point. I hope that it is all constructive from here on out. I am supposed to have some kind of evil sounding surgery on my spine as well, but I keep getting other health crises so it keeps getting pushed back. I'd like to know how you progress, and if you don't mind sharing with me I have zillions of questions.
med4me
Holly
Pm me if you please.[/b]
I hope you recieve my pm. cheech

[misstokie]

I am so sorry to hear of your pain. I hope you are able to find a comfort zone.
Glad you are where you want to be. Being home is always a blessing.
Next time you are in the hospital, try having some edibles. A Tupperware dish with MMJ cookies would be a lot easier to get away with.
Hope you are up and around soon.
Misstokie

[cheech]

I PM you just a short note , and I thank you for your good wishes. Unfortuitly, I will experience Pain the rest of my life from this actual saving of my back bone form disappearing and disolving into dust before I hit my own Burial At Sea, as an old sea captain always states to his kin and young ones. Its basically, an old sea time duty accident from a sinking off Dutch Harbar in the 90's 450 miles offshore, being rescued by the Costys. My harness burst and I landed on my back of the starboard rail , and then into the sea. I thought for sure I was a dead man. All I could do with a tear is think of my two babies, and how much I loved them , and they where the only reason I was here in this ungod forsaken devel of a sea. Then I went under and began to loose trake. I went into a fantasy world , and was not afraid of death , and take the consiquences of my decision to go for the money, why in one year I could make over 250,000. I said yep thats it I'm takin my haul in cashin out and sellin the boat . But then again it was to late I saw here leave the surface moments ago and dive into the wet cold abiss. It was over , I was over , I felt nothing , and was getting grogy, want peace and rest for eternity, I wished I could hug my babies just one more time and then my face broke the surface, I looked striaght up and saw that red hulled blakhawk Cost Gard helo above me . I started to laugh like a mad man, and cry like a baby.
We'll med4me, you keep your faith high, and you mind on your final goal, and there anin't nothin you can't do. Keep in touch if you can with any questions or concerns. I hope my PM wasn't to abrupt, but what we don't learn we are doomed to repeat, and thats no where. we'llI'll be listenin on my emergency channel 16 for ya.... cheech, Ps. by the way I retired My children are grown, with me someday soon to be a Grandfather, both are married, and well my daughter is getting here education and so is her husband they work hard . My son is to be the new daddy in May, I can't wait . I guess the good Lord had other plans for me on that cold February day. Peace to you , Cheech[/b]





Apologies to the viewing public for the writing of this thread, for its English usage and probably sintax and predication are attroshious(spelling?), It was the height of the moment, the Main Nerve, this event happened and is still quite vivid in memory.
Thank you for your patients if you happened to read it. cheech